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hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something... set it free. see you around, giulia ♪ this sunday, president trump promised to change washington, but is it possible washington is changing him? >> this is more work than in my previous life. i thought it would be easier. >> the president fights to beat a 100-day deadline he calls ridiculous with an the president after 100 days. an attempt to repeal and replace obamacare that is still stuck on votes. and a promise to kill nafta. >> we are going to get rid of nafta for once and for all. >> that turns into a decision to negotiate instead. last night the president took a
victory lap in a campaign style stop in pennsylvania. >> we are keeping one promise ter another. >> this morning i'll talk exclusively with vice president mike pence who joins me here live. plus two senators on opposite sides of the aisle on what it would take for our two parties to finally work together. angus keg and susan collins are here live. and winners and losers. what president trump's tax outline really could mean for the people who support him the most. joining me for inside analysis are chris matthews, host of "hardball" on msnbc, helene cooper for the "new york times" and danielle pletka for the american enterprise institute. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history celebrating its 70th year.
this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning for a president who said the first 100 days is a ridiculous benchmark. president trump this week certainly looked like a man eager to cross the finish line with activities. despite the promise of health care and tax reform and nafta, he has attempted to put some big moves on the board. he has gotten neil gorsuch into the supreme court, and he has stayed true to his promise to restrict imgration. but in what may be the most revealing moment of the week, the republican house rejecte his cl for a billion-dollar down payment for the wall with mexico. president trump came to town promising to defeat washington. like many presidents before him, he's discovering that the washington empire knows how to strike back. >> we are keeping one promise after another, and frankly, the people are really happy about it. >> reporter: in harrisburg, pennsylvania last night the
president marked 100 days in office in his favorite element. >> we're going to have the wall. don't worry about it. major tax relief for the middle class. we're going to get the premiums down, we're going to get the dub deductibles way down. we're going to take care of every single need you want taken care of, but it's not going to cost that kind of money. >> reporter: it's a stark contrast to this admission earlier in the week. >> this is more work than in my previous life. i thought it would be easier. >> reporter: the 100-day honeymoon is regarded, politically, at least, as the easiest part of the president's job. on the campaign trail, governing looked easy. >> a lot of politicians said, you can't get mexico to pay for the wall. i said, it's going to be so easy. you'll have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost and it's going to be so preside easy. >> reporter: but mr. trump promised in his contract with the amican voter, none have
en accomplished. if mr. trump is sti battling washington, then washington appears to be winning. health care is stalled for the second time in the house. >> i'm disappointed. i'll tell you, paul ryan is trying very, very hard. >> the president's plan to overhaul thousands of pages of the federal tax code, so far just a single sheet of paper. >> we'll let you know these specific details at the appropriate moment. >> reporter: a white house demand to include a done payment for a border wall in any spending bill dropped. >> we'll build the wall. >> after promising to terminate nafta, instead on friday, mr. trump signed an executive order which simply launch az ses a six-month review. he rallied against globalists during the campaign. she is the chief for globalism. wants to surrender america to globalism. a representative for globalists. do you know what globalists are? >> but this week he called
himself one, telling the wall street journal, hey, i'm a nationalist and a globalist. and then there's the russia investigation. it continues to hang over this presidency. with new questions this week about former national security adviser mike flynn. >> when they say we didn't vet, obama, i guess, didn't vet. because he was approved at the highest level of security by the obama administration. >> well, we got a lot to get to, so no better person to talk to than my next guest, vice president mike pence. welcome back, sir. >> thank you. >> happy day 101. >> thank you. >> mr. trump made the comment that he thought being president would be easier. what has he found to be harder than expected so far? >> i don't know that he's found it harder. i think he has found the range of issuess president of the united states at home and abroad, given the path of the last administration, to be particularly challenging. in so many ways, the president
has said the world is a mess. he spent an awful lot of time in the first 100 days re-engaging the world. he speent many of us around the world to restrengthen america's ties around the world, we're rebuilding our military, we're rethinking trade agreements that have been costing american jobs, and then here at home, the president has rolled his sleeves up literally, not just 100 days, chuck, but since the day after the election, the president has been out there fighting for american jobs. in 2017 alone, more than 500,000 jobs have been created. you see optimism among job creators in america, enthusiasm among consumers across the country. it's just -- i think -- we went through a difficult time the last eight years, but america is back under president donald trump. >> but in many ways, he has found himself -- it's almost like washington has either moved him or has defeated him so far. would you accept that? i mean, you look at his positions on nato or even the
pullback on nafta a little bit, what he has said about china. it's all fallen into the washington conventional wisdom. >> i don't really share your perspective on that, with all due respect, chuck. on the international scene, here is a president who said that nato had to change, that our nato allies had to begin to step up, to begin to share the burden of the cost of our common defense. and they are. they're also changing the mission of nato to focus more on terrorism. that's exactly what the president called for. i mean, he didn't change on nato, nato changed. >> but nato changed years ago. nato has been at the forefront in afghanistan fighting terrorism. he's not the first president to complain that the rest of the nato nations don't pay their fair share. >> most of them don't. the president is going to be visiting nato in just a couple weeks and he'll deliver that strong message again. and i know the secretary general is standing shoulder to shoulder with him. but look, you look at what this president has done, come to
washington, d.c. to fight for the forgotten men and women of this country, and they see him doing it each and every day. i mean, he announced this week that we're going to renegotiate nafta. in the early days of the administration, we got out of the trans-pacific partnership where things the president said would have made nafta failers pale in comparison. he literally each and every day has been out there fighting to keep his word with the american people, and he frankly has been fighting against the gale force wind of the establishment here in washington, d.c., and frankly fighting against the gale force wind against many in the national media who constantly would like to change the subject away from the president's relentless effort to keep his promises to the american people. >> one of the big promises had to do with a ton of legislative action. i want to put on the board -- these are pieces of legislation he promised to at least introduce and begin fighting for. no one said he was going to sign all this. that i will give you. tax reform, offshoring jobs, infrastructure school choice, health care, child care, ethics
reform, military crime and drugs. the only place where there's been any action actually in congress is really on health care. so what's taken so long getting these other aspects introduced, or was it an overpromise? >> no, it waents sn't an overpr, and remember this president has signed more bills in the first 100 days than harry truman. he's rolled back job-killing legislation signed into law -- >> we're not on health care, we're not on tax reform. i'm talking the big signature pieces of legislation. >> but he signed over 30 different executive orders on virtually every of those topics you just referred to, and we're working with the congress. i think health care reform, repealing and replacing obamacare is just around the corner because this president is driving relentlessly toward an
agenda to make america great again. i got to tell you, when we were out, we were out visit ing a factory yesterday near harrisburg, pennsylvania, you saw overwhelming support. the president virtually enjoys unanimous support of the people who supported us in last year's election. but what was more inspiring to me, as we walked the shop room floor, not just the business owners expressing enthusiasm for the president's plan to cut business taxes and cut taxes across the board. but the guys that had paused from working on the line to reach out to this president and just thank him for being there. somebody said to me recently that everybody that puts on a steel-toed boot in this country knows they have somebody fighting for them every day, and it's absolutely true and it's president donald trump. >> let's get into some details. we were talking about health care a little bit. i know you've been working hard on this. you're back and forth, people see you ducking into different congressional offices, and one of them has to do with this so-called mcarthur amendment
that some moderates on the republican side are concerned about. let me play some sound on that and get you to respond. >> i wouldn't be surprised if they pass something. but i'm not for it. i'm just telling you. >> it could affect people with preexisting conditions. it will make insurance probably much more expensive for them and in some cases perhaps inaccessible. >> it doesn't help the people i represent. >> you've heard this concern, which is that if you essentially eliminate these essential benefits, you give the states the opportunity to essentially take out the protection for preexisting conditions, or if you do keep it, making it so that those folks are guaranteed toe paying a lot more for health insurance. if that's the case, how do you pass this thing? >> first, before i get to that, let's begin with the fact that obamacare has failed. it literally is collapsing all over the country. insurance companies are free from the exchanges -- >> that is a very debatable point, mr. vice president. a very debatable point.
>> there are states around the country where literally people in half the state have no choice for health insurance at all. people have seen their insurance premiums skyrocket. the american people know that we need to repeal and replace obamacare, and president trump from the first day of this administration, has been working every single day to keep that promise to the american people. and i have to tell you, the legislative process is often slow. nobody knows that better than you. >> and yourself. you're a member of congress. >> what's the old saying, if you like sausage, don't go where they make it, right? we're remaking law here and we're unmaking a piece of legislation in american history. on this point, congress obviously wasn't ready to begin the process of repealing obamacare a little more than a month ago, but i think we're close. it is owing to the fact that you're seeing members of congress come together to repeal the owner's taxes and penalties that people pay if they don't have insurance in obamacare to expand health savings accounts
to give governors like my friend john kasich all accessibility to improve medicaid to its citizens. but we're also keeping our promise to people that have preexisting conditions. >> besides protecting, are you going to be able to keep their premiums from skyrocketing? that's the concern. if you isolate them with the rise of insurance premiu, how do you protect that? >> first of all, you make it very clear like we d in the first bill, but with the amendments that have taken place in the last several weeks and come forward, it's even better still. we're basically borrowing an idea from the state of maine that has seen a significant drop in premiums for people on their health insurance because you take people that have preexisting and costly conditions and put them into a high-risk pool, and you subsidize that so it is affordable to those individuals. so you're guaranteeing coverage
for preexisting conditions, and the flexibility that you're referring to in this latest mcarthur amendment, states can only apply for that waiver and flexibility if they have either a federal or state high-risk pool that guarantees that people will be able to have coverage, and it will be affordable. >> by the way, terrific segue. i have two main senators coming on the show later today. i will ask senator susan collins about that main risk pool. i'm going to go to taxes. by the way, on health care, i know the president expects a house vote in the next couple of weeks. are you going to be able to sign a new version of health care, whether it's full repeal or replace or not, by the end of this year? >> i believe through a series of bills, this first one, that we are hopeful there will be action in the house of representatives soon. and through executive action and through further legislation that will deliver on our promise to repeal and replace obamacare and give the american people the kind of world class health care they deserve. >> before the end of the year? not make that go promiing that ?
>> i hope before the end of the year. i go back to the first point, chuck. i know you say it's debatable. get out across the country. obamacare has failed. every point of obamacare has been broken. people have lost the ability to choose their doctors. we've got to do better. we will under this president. >> lots of estimates, and we're very early in this process, i'm not going to get into too many of these weeds but the overall impact looks like a big shot at the deficit. some estimate 20 trillion over three years, as small as 3 million. if this tax reform plan increases the deficit, will the president still sign it? >> we have nearly a $20 trillion national debt that dbled under the last admistration. it didn't just double because of excessive gornment spending, it doubled because of a struggling american economy. we just got the numbers. 1.6%. the strongest economy on earth growing at less than 2%, and in
less than 1% in the first quarter. look, all those statistics, and talking with everyday americans and job creators across this country attest to the fact that the american people are crying out for tax relief. we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. the president is going to drive to lower that to 15% to make businesses large and small more competitive, and we're going to lower the tax rate to three marginal rates for every american and unleash the bound-up energy of the american economy. >> how are you going to pay for it? everything you outlined will increase the deficit, period. how do you prevent that? >> well, the only way we're going to meet the obligations that we face in deficits today or long-term obligations in our entitle entitlement, chuck, are through growth. the president has proposed one of the largest tax cuts in
american history. and i have to tell you, the earlier response on kacapitol hl has been very encouraging. >> i understand people are happy about it, but you are going to increase the deficit. >> maybe in the short term. but the truth is if we don't get this economy growing at 3% or more as the president believes that we can,e're never going toeet the obligations that we've made today. >> quickly on south korea. i know you were in asia. there's some news this morning that the national security adviser, general mcmaster, has reassured our south korean allies about missile defense, about extra protections and that the united states is going to pay for this. president trump said south korea would. how are you going to square that? >> well, when the president asked me to go to south korea and japan and visit our allies in the region, it was to reassure them during these troubled times where we see increased provocations from the regime in north korea that america stands with them. america will defend them.
and i have to tell you that the bonds between the people of south korea and the people of the united states forged during the korean war are immutable and unshakeable. however we resolve the issue of their defense, the people of south korea know that america will be there to defend them, even as they defend themselves. >> so at a minimum, we're not going to argue over the bill now, is what you're saying? >> look, the president has been very clear, whether it's our allies in europe or south korea or japan or other countries that we expect countries around the world to do more. whether it's this missile defense system or other systems, i think you can be confident the president of the united states is going to continue to call on the prosperous nations that the united states provides security and protection for to do more in their own defense. >> final question. you did lose the popular vote by an estimate of 3 million. and there has been some concern
that this administration hasn't done enough to reach out to those who didn't support, and the fact is youan to bring this country back togeer. i believe you in that. buthy haven't you made a concrete step to reach out to the other side a little bit and to try to sort of heal some of these wounds? >> i think the president reaches out every day. i'm with him virtually every day, whether -- we were on the road yesterday out to pennsylvania, in the oval office, and i've seen an extraordinary collection of americans come through the white house, come through the oval office. we had the teacher of the year, teachers from all 50 states surrounding the president's desk. i've seen him reach out to leaders across the spectrum. last night he said it well -- >> it hasn't worked, though. last night awas a campaign rall and it may have felt good, but it was pretty divisive rhetoric. >> last night the president said whatever your race or your creed
that we're all americans and we all have the same patriots' blood in our veins. i think you'll continue to see the president reach out, but look, this is a very tough time. america faces real challenges at home and abroad. it's created a great deal of anxiety among the american people. but i think as the american people see the strength and resolve of this president, as they see our economy coming back, opportunities for themselves and their children and grandchildren, and as they see a safer and more secure world because of the strong leadership of president donald trump, i'm confident you'll see more unity in american as a result. >> mr. vice president, i'm going to leave it there. always more to get to, but i appreciate the time you spent with us this morning. thank you for sharing your views. >> thank you, chuck. later in the broadcast, the outline of a trump tax plan we saw this week, and the trump supporters who may be surprised to find they're not among the winners. and later, how have the democrats done in their first 100 days in the trump administration? perhaps not as well as you might think there, either.
political analyst and my new cable leader, and danielle pletka of the american enterprise institute. okay, you pantheons of washington establishment. basic question here, who is winning, washington or president trump? nicole. >> i think if we ask his supporters, he is winning in a landslide, but the questions you posed to the vice president, i don't know that he's gained an inch in terms of what he said he wanted to do in his first address to congress, which was to unite a larger group of voters arounsome common goals. i don't think he's taken the first step out the gate to doing that. >> washington is winning for
sure. just from the foreign policy perspective, there is no question that trump came in threatening a whole series of different things, whether it was disengagement from nato, which we heard the vice president talk about, whether it was walking away from a variety of trade agreements which he hasn't done, whether it was not engaging in the middle east and we've bombed syria. from my standpoint, the president has actually stepped up. if that's washington winning, please, washington, keep winning. >> chris? >> i think he's dominated the news, and i think that's the most important thing. every hour on the hour it's donald trump. we do a thing every night on the show called "trump watch." it's always about him. it's gotten rid of the middle and it's polarized the democratic party. the democratic party is defined as anti-trump. that moved them to the left, so what he has is a country that's either putting up with trump or hagt trum hating trump, and i think it's still a question whether he'll
make it or not. i think he can still make it. >> your beat is sort of the monument to the washington establishment, the pentagon. >> oh, come on. >> it just is. that's a case where almost they're actively trying to restrain this president sometimes. >> yeah, it's a very weird situation that we seem to be in. president trump has given an enormous amount of military authority to the pentagon. he treats them very different l differential differentially. he loves secretary jim mattis, and now we're in this position where we're looking to the pentagon to do the american strategy. she went through a list of the foreign policy scene, president trump has sort of ceded to the general washington public. i'd like to zero in on just china for a moment. during the kacampaign, the so
anti-china rhetoric we heard during that time was amazing. and now you see things have completely shifted again, and you hear the way he's talking about china and talking about president xi. >> they're like blood brothers now. >> we need them now for north korea, and it's this complete flip-flop. >> this is where i think it gets complicated for him with the 100-day mark. you go back to his voters, and while the republicans that came along and fell in line are largely happy, i'm covering the democratic part of his coalition, in his defense, the softest part of his coalition. they're completely alarmed that when it comes to china he's acting like this, that with foreign policy he's completely turned around. his numbers will stay high because of republicans, but he won because democrats in pennsylvania and wisconsin vote for her, and if he flips on foreign policy, they'll be gone
in two years. >> that's pretty intellectual. >> he's a gut guy. >> just a second, there are two sides to this. there is the political side and there's the substantive foreign policy side. on the foreign policy side, the reality is when donald trump says, i'm working with the chinese and i'm going to do this for them if they do this for the united states, that is how every presidency works. the difference is most presidents don't say it. the other side is the political, and i agree with you, i think the bottom could drop out. he got a lot of criticism from democrat supporters and republican supporters. >> chris, i want to get to something, though, which is i think the first 100 days is the easiest period for a president. it's unbelievable here. the last six presidents, i'm going to show you, the 100-day approval mark and by the time of the midterms. in every case but one, and you'll go down the list, the approval rating of that president went down from 100 days to the midterms. the exception is george w. bush and the intervening event there was 9/11. my point is this, chris.
usually your political capital continues to dwindle after the first 100 days and they're just starting to try to get a legislative regime. >> the big par is the media. jack kennedy won by nothing, practically, 100,000 votes, but yet he came in to the point where people said, i voted for him. this president is going to use gale force winds against him. he comes in with the media killing him every day. clearly it's not a popular thing to say you voted for trump. every time i look at a poll, i go, wait a minute, more people voted for him than admit they voted for him. before the election, that's true. i think it's attitude. i think last night by not going to the press dinner and going to harrisburg, he expressed his defiance of us, and it goes over very well. it's not about where do you stand on china, it's about attitude. i like her, but i'm not hiring her because she's got
adding-tude. he's still saying to hell with you guys and he's still saying things that aren't true, and i think his people know some of this stuff isn't true. nobody at fox thought it was fair and balanced, but they loved the way these guys would say, fair and balanced, take that. it's defiance. >> it's sort of fun how landler wrote about it this morning. >> i loved his piece this morning, it was fantastic. as an editor of the failing "new york times" -- >> it's not failing at all. >> -- i don't think these stories are against trump, they're just laying o exactly what is going on in this country. >> because they're all about m. >> he's the president. >> i know, but i've never seen so many stories about a guy. he's always in the news. >> here's good news, i'm just going to pause the conversation. when we come back, a rare sight on television these days. a senator who goes against the
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>> welcome back.> at our most recent nbc news/"wall street journal," just 20% of americans say they approve of the job congress is doing. 72% disapprove. that's primarily because the voters have pushed the democrats to the left and the republicans to the right. and very little gets accomplished. we have joining us this morning, two senators who could theoretically buck that trend. republican susan collins, who's among the most bipartisan members of the senate. angus king, just 1 of 2 senate independents. he does caucus with the democrats. both happen to be from maine and they join me now to discuss whether the two sides can ever get along. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> it is going to be pollyannaish. you guys are going to say the right things about
bipartisanship, but let me ask you this. what are the hurdles of bringing common ground back to a case where a politician might see it as a reward, not as a duty that the voters will punish? senator collins, you first. >> there are two big hurdles. one is the rise of ideological-driven groups, on both the left and the right, who are requiring 100% compliance with 100% of their views, 100% of the time. and the threat for members is that if they don't comply, they will face a well-funded primary opponent. second factor is that the polarization in washington in in our country.s theivisions more and more people are living with people who have the same views that they do, they're accessing news outlets that reinforce what they already think. we are seeing a growing
intolerance on campuses for alternative viewpoints. all of that combines to produce the visions in our country that i think washington reflects. >> that's pretty good answer. senator king, what would you add? >> those were on my list, but here's one that's sort of odd, and that is the senate schedule. we leave on thursday night, come back monday morning. no one lives here anymore. when i worked here 40 years ago in the senate, everyone who lived there, their family was here. people literally don't get to know each other and that's a problem. you don't have relationships. here's another piece that i think might surprise you. over 65 of the current senators have been there ten years or less. and that means they don't know how to win. we're like a football team that's lost every game for five years. there's not a culture of success. something doesn't work, you don't get the votes, move on and you don't go back and try to make it work.
>> in fact, senator collins, you seemed to mention -- you were asked about the idea you might run for governor. but you even said, you know if you do that, you actually are vacating an important role here. is it because of that lack of experience that's here that senator king's referring to? >> it is. and if you look at the way the senate used to be, bipartisan was always difficult. >> right. let's not pretend it happens all the time. >> right, it wasn't easy. but people were much more willing to sit down, negotiate and try to find common ground. and i've been part of several of those issues over the years. and i worry that the shrinking center in the nate is making that more and more difficult. we saw that just recently that there's a profound lack of trust between the two parties that makes those negotiations hard. >> but here's what i don't get
here, senator king, with all due respect to essentially, i'll say 95% of the u.s. senate. which is if i talk to any of them individually, they all lament this issue. is this a leadership-driven problem? is it that the leadership because they are being held to an electoral and political standard, they cannot even allow bipartisanship to happen? >> i don't think it's the personalities of the leaders, but i think you're on to something in the sense that the pressures on the leaders to be partisans first is very intense. i mean it's -- chuck schumer's in a difficult place. any time he makes a move -- in fact, at the beginning of this session, he talked about we're going to try to work with the president when it's necessary and when we believe he's right. huge reaction from the democratic base. you can't, you've got to resist, you can't compromise. like senator collins said, there are these outside groups
constantly putting pressure on you to be as pure as the driven snow. >> the state of maine was brought up by the vice president today. i thanked the vice president for the great segue on health care. you may have the vehicle here for repealing, repairing, whatever you want to call, health care bill. but is he right in his description of these maine risk pools that they somehow do protect those with pre-existing conditions and keep costs down? >> maine for two years had what was known as an invisible high-risk pool. and people with pre-existing conditions did not even realize that they were part of it. it was financed by an assessment on all the health care policies that were sold in the state. >> which is an important part of how it worked. >> it is. but what was important is after an individual's expenses reached a certain amount, the high-risk pool picked that up. and it did work well for two years.
it had a $5 million surplus when it ended. but the affordable care act ended it. >> would you be able to support something like that? >> it's all in the details because what's being proposed doesn't have the subsidy, for example, that made the maine high-risk pool successful and there are a lot of people in maine that argue that there were limitations, that a lot of the coverages were dropped and that expenses for older -- people over 60, for example, went way up. so it is certainly -- we got to look for what happened in the states. it's worth looking at. but i don't think it is a panacea and i don't think it necessarily is an easy answer to the dilemma of pre-existing conditions. >> i can't let you go without asking about your governor, paula page, and the similarities -- he called himself trump before trump. what have you learned -- what have the two of you learned that paula page found success in the same state that elected an independent and a very moderate
republican and what have you learned from trump that you think you need to get better at? >>ell, predent trump spoke very clearly to those people in maine, particularly in the northern part of the state, who had lost their jobs, in part due to poorly negotiated trade agreements. and he's right about that. and if you're a displaced mill worker in maine, you feel pretty left out. and he spoke to that group. he spoke compellingly to them. and i think that's something that we all need to do better on. trade agreements often result in lower prices for consumers overall, but if you're without a paycheck, you don't really care about that. >> senator king, what have you learned from the success of a la page and a trump? >> i think what you learn is to listen. and i think -- i remember -- everybody thought hillary was going to win and the day before. i remember saying if and when she wins, she's got to do some serious listening to the people
who voted for donald trump. the same things goes in maine, it goes across the country. now turning that around, i was disappointed in the president's speech last night because he's still in campaign mode talking strictly to his people. there are a lot of people who are disappointed or angry, or whatever. they have reason, too. i think we need a little quiet -- what i call -- eloquent listening in order to understand. people who voted for trump and paul la page have absolutely legitimate concerns and need to be responded to. by the same token, people concerned about the trump policies have legitimate concerns. the country is divided in half. >> this is great! hopefully your other colleagues will see, hey, maybe folks from both sides of the aisle should appear together. thanks for doing this. how a tax break could wind up being a lot less than it seems. and the best moments from last night's white house correspondents' dinner from
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it would require dp spendi cuts. if you look at some of the progmsprident trump's budget blueprint plans to eliminate, there in aces like the mississippi river delta and appalachia, parts of the country that have struggled economically for years while urban centers have been thriving. so while some low-income families could benefit from an extra $1,000 or so in the short term, there could be lasting, more long-term negative implications in these areas for rural america where many of them live and where many government subsidies are invested. when we come back, there's been a lot of talk about president trump's first 100 days. but how about the democrats? how have their first 100 days gone in the age of trump? help block six key inflammatory substances. most allergy pills only block one. new flonase sensimist. if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's,
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back now with the panel. we have been talking about the first 100 days of donald trump, but what about the democrats? i have to read you this interesting quote here from a conservative, washington free beacon. with the democratic party has yet to understand is that its social and cultural agenda is irrelevant to the material and spiritual well-being of their former constituents. their next 0 days will be no better than the first. i'm going to guess chris matthews, you agree with that? >> yeah, a lot is cultural, not just economics. i think the position that hillary clinton took on abortion, late term abortion is fine, federal funding, get rid of the hyde amendment. pushed too far. i think a lot of the people came out and voted in pennsylvania where i'm from, they're
pro-lifers and with all of trump's problems they didn't like hillary's position. i think the party moved too far to the left on cultural issues. >> the other interesting thing about the first 100 days the most popular member of the democratic party is not a member, bernie sanders. >> yeah. we haven't seen -- you said we'll talk about the democrats. who are they again? it's like they have completely disappeared. i certainly hope -- >> but they're more popular right now than the republican -- >> they may be in power again in a year, in two years. i hope they're spending this time out in the wilderness coming up with actual proposals and plans unlike the republicans who spent their time in the wilderness talking about getting rid of health care and they didn't have a plan. >> when you go out and talk to democrats who hate trump, they said they can't imagine voting for a democrat again. that nothing they have done
since the election has seemed to address the reasons that they alienated this working class part of their base on electn day. >> that's right. the democrats were mea to be the party of the people and instead donald trump really got elected as a man of the people. argue with it all you want. but at the end of the day, they looked like the party of beyonce. we saw that at the white house correspondents' dinner last night. they're the party of beyonce and barbra streisand. >> love beyonce. >> but she is not a political leader. forgive me. she is not a woman who's going to fix the problems of the american people. >> what's the solution though? you ask a democrat including bernie and elizabeth warren, all the big stars of the party now. you have ask them what's your position on illegal immigration, they're offended. they don't have a position. the reasons people that voted for trump they don't -- they have to have a counteragenda. i think a counteragenda would make a lot of sense. you know, they had a good bipartisan bill on immigration, 12 republicans. go back to that and said that
that's where we stand. we're for a reasonable, enforceable border control. we're for real things. instead they think running against trump is the solution. >> but it -- >> call everyone a bigot. >> okay. except guess what? in 2009 we were having similar conversations about the republicans they had no counteragenda. just sitting there allowing anti-obama unite the party works. >> i disagree. obamacare is what worked. >> so repealing obamacare will work for the democrats too? >> i don't know. i don't think so. i don't think that they were doing nothing and they had great successes. i think that a grass roots sort of element of republicans and libertarians went out in opposition to obama care. >> what's happening now, what do you see with the energy on the left? you're right, democrats haven't offered anything but the energy is there. >> it's all energy, it's not directed towards anything. that's what chris said.
it's all about name calling. not about standing for anything. and at the end of the day, if e party doesn't stand for something, they don't get elected. >> by the way, i think our job is to help parties win at all costs. you can say mitch mcconnell that's a brilliant idea. your number one objective is to get rid of obama. why should -- why should middle of the road or conservative or whatever, why should the job to help one party win over the other? what's the point of that? i don't want to help -- >> but to chris' point -- >> i'm fehling you what politically works. >> being awful works sometimes. >> but i think -- but i think it's a democrat said i'll attack your money and build -- take your money and build a bridge, i'm as protectionist as you are, but some of trump's stuff is the democrats' stuff. >> but the republicans played that game and it worked for them. there was a lot of the obama stuff -- >> right, but it wasn't our stuff. >> why doesn't pelosi say i have a plan to fix obamacare?
okay, i'm going to break the rule. i'm going to make -- i'm going to go to the floor and break the rule, get control of the schedule and we're going to vote on that. go out there and be aggressive. get control of the vote and try to do something. i think the democrats can win on a lot of issues if they would start challenging the leadership. >> i think it's very possible they don't need to do that. >> they don't need to do that. >> susan collins said this, she said, people punish you if you work with the other side. they punish you. >> but they control the debate. >> we'll be back in a moment with "end game" and an extra half hour. we'll have some highlights from last night's white house correspondents' dinner as well. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game, brought to you by boeing. always working to build something better.
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for the ninth year in a row, baby. no one wanted to do this so of course it lands in the hands of an immigrant. >> how do you like me now, huh? [ cheers and applause ] the prodigal son has returned. yeah. i don't know what that means, but i know it's positive. >> well, look, we have to laugh a little bit. split screen, nicole, you're a visual person too. good decision by him to skip the dinner? >> it does him no harm not to be the room but i don't know if it does any good as a staff not to show up. hey, we're in on the joke, we have thin skin. but the president didn't suffer any injury by not being there. >> i think the president is helped by this which makes me sad as a former journalist because in fact this is a
gathering of people all of whom have a great deal of contempt for the president. but to a certain extent also for the republican party. >> dick cheney went every year. it showed him he was able to laugh at himself. it didn't hurt him at all not to be there. >> i think some year he will come back and he'll show a picture of obama making fun of him at the dinner and he'll say, look where i'm at now. but i think last night was smart. harrisburg was the smart move, being out there. >> i'm going to close it there. these guys will keep going. that's all we have for today. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday it's "meet the press." we'll see you in may. >> you can see more "end me" and "postgame" on the mtp facebook page.
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